i think a hot of people are wondering in the u.s., how concerned should we be? >> i don't think that the russians had dare to do a large cyberattack on the united states because they know that we have got the capability to do it back to them, probably bigger. so, there is a deterrent effect on cyber. this is a deterrent effect on information. this is deterrent effect on a hot of these -- these challenges that will keep the russians in -- in their place. >> i want to go back to the president of ukraine, zelenskyy. and he has just stay method. the u.s. offered to rescue him, bring him out of the country. he will not. he is like a captain who refuses to abandon his ship. using social media to get the word out to his people. what do you make of him? >> and, pam, this same fellow i mentioned that put his family and came back to kyiv and is now unable to get to his house. he said he is so proud to serve under that commander. >> wow. >> he is so proud. he said all his comrades -- same