up in 2020. they're going to show up again. that's a big bet. what he's essentially saying is, look, we have the power. even without blowing up the filibuster, to try to get people to exercise their votes. we'll get them focused on the threat, get them focused on the issue. in fact, we can get people to vote as they did last time. there is nothing guaranteed about that. there are going to be progressives and african americans who are going to say to him, we asked you about it in advance. if, in fact that doesn't work, this is going to be part of the record that he has to figure out. but he is saying very clear right now, very clearly, he doesn't want to blow up the filibuster and he's not budging on that. progressives are saying to him, the time is getting closer where you're going to have to make a final decision, and for the moment he's saying, no, no, it's not just on the senate. it's on all of us. and that's a big bet on his part i have to say. >> sure, they came out and voted in 2020 in an election that had very different rules state by state and will have if nothing changes in a number of these