>> and i would say this, i still think it goes back to, when you have one of these issues, you have a va scandal, you have to show leadership and deal with it, whether it be immigration right now and the issues we're having with young people coming across the border. the irs scandal and the fact that they're claiming there's all these lost hard drives randomly of all these people whose e-mails we need to access. the irs should never be run in a way that is for political gain for anyone. >> how is that the president's responsibility. he didn't erase anyone's hard drive. he didn't delay reporting this information to the government. this is an irs issue. >> there's no evidence -- >> all right, just -- >> this is the issue i think is concerning so many democrats right now, you can't always say.