>> to get married i said. >> much like cardinal, i do believe as a christian the march rig between -- >> cardinal dolan is described it as a tragedy for america, a tragedy two loving people of the same sex can get married like you and me, that's a tragedy for america? >> i think if you want to reject the right of the catholic bishop's collectively, not just him, to actually stand up for their values and you want to say that's -- and you want to do that, that's your right, but in fact, i do believe states are making arrangements. what i object to in this case is very clear cut. you had a 5-4 decision to reject 8 million californians on the ground that 8 million people have standing before the supreme court -- >> no, i hear that. let's go to van jones, it seems you want to get in there. is this a tragedy, van? >> as a christian, if you're