from the inside out. what that prevents is if the bolts come loose, if any mounting structure is not intact, still the pressure will hold that plug in place. that's not what happened here. >> so, you know, i asked you this question the last time we spoke about whether or not max planes should be flying at all, right, because boeing is dealing with a tarnished reputation and they obviously have major credibility issues. again, we look at the max planes, not specifically the 9, but all the max planes, been involved in two deadly crashes in 2018, 2019, after that there have been a number of production issues, loose bolts in the rudder control system of these planes, a defect in the anti-icing system. should these planes be flying at all? >> well, what we're doing right now it looks like to me, amara, is setting a stage for a battle between the titans of industry and really the government agency that protects safety for the public. so this battle can be set. it all has to do now with