injunction basically to force him to follow the law. and again, we really shouldn't be surprised you know, many people may not know this. but the director attorney of los angeles george gascón has never actually tried a case. he's never appeared in court. the only time that he's ever appeared in court is because he's being sued by one of his employees for retaliation. >> so sir i have to ask you this because -- i've heard this numerous amount of time that he hire affiliate folk out of the public defenders office. the rank in file that are there is it some of you gist that are talking about this or is the majority of you guys to feel like there's an issue going on where you cannot defend the people of los angeles? >> so that was one of the reasons why we as a organization decided to open up a vote to all of our members to make -- determination whether we should endorse the recall of george