breaking news tonight. salinas, california, a gorgeous 23-year-old bride, talented, creative, a florist, vanishes. she goes shopping that afternoon with a sister for their father's birthday party and then never makes it to the party. 23-year-old ryann crow vanishes, never seen again. her chevy malibu abandoned 90 miles to the north. investigators combing every square inch of ryann's car for evidence. the new groom lays out the search for his wife and then completely avoids the bride's family. bombshell tonight. just hours after we covered the 23-year-old bride missing, police close in on the groom. 26 miles away heading south. in the car? another woman. the groom, jesse crow, behind bars tonight on $3 million bond. the charge, murder one. the bride's body? missing. >> breaking news, an arrest in the disappearance of beautiful newlywed, ryann crow. >> arrested jesse for the homicide. >> we're talking about a 23-year-old young lady, a bride, who has gone missing, vanishing without a trace. >> police said they had the goods on jesse crow despite not finding his missing wife's body. >> we believe we have enough evidence to show that ryann has passed and that jesse is responsible for her death. >> even though it was early on in the marriage, the bride and the groom had some sort of tiff and ryann crow was staying at her sister's home. >> this was a quick head-over-heels-type romance where apparently ryann met her husband, jesse crow, in july, married him a few weeks later in august. >> i cannot put into words the pain i feel right now. it is almost unbearable, but i have to move on for ryann. i have to do this for ryann because i want to find ryann. >> law enforcement says there was some fear crow might flee. pressure was mounting so they took action and made an arrest. >> it's very disconcerting that this guy's not helping with the searches and not making public pleads. >> crow's bail set at $3 million. jesse crow sits in a monterey county jail cell tonight facing the possibility of death if convicted. and tonight, breaking news in the search for a 2-year-old florida girl, caylee. while tot mom breaks down crying in court, her parents george and cindy anthony storming out of the courtroom. tonight, the state reveals the murder weapon they say tot mom used in the death of her 2-year-old little girl. tell me your name, please. >> casey marie anthony. >> caylee was almost 3 when she died. >> there's no evidence that casey has ever done any harm to her child. >> the duct tape over her nose and her mouth. >> you're talking about a 3-year-old little girl. >> as the killer looked into her face, maybe her killer even saw her eyes as the tape was applied. >> i take complete and full responsibility for my actions. >> first one piece. >> i don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart. >> then two. then three. >> there was an overpowering smell. i'll admit that. >> so no breath was possible. >> the duct tape was placed there to, in fact, stop breathing. >> they've already said they're going to pin this on me. >> the face caylee anthony saw in those final moments of her life was her mother's face. could caylee have understood what was happening to her? >> as a parent you know certain things about your child. >> she tried to resist. >> can someone let me -- come on! >> could her killer see the fear in her eyes as the tape was applied? >> i just want her to come home. i just want my baby back. >> anyone who pretends that no juror could find that these conclusions call for a sentence of death is only fooling themselves. good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. breaking news tonight. salinas, california. just hours after we cover the 23-year-old ryann crow missing, police close in on the groom. 26 miles away heading south. in the car? another woman. the groom, jesse crow, behind bars tonight on $3 million bond. the charge? murder one. >> cops swoop in arresting husband, jesse crow, charging him with the murder of his newlywed-bride ryann crow. >> monday jesse john crow was cleaning out the rental he shared with his missing wife, ryann. tuesday night he was pulled over in pacific grove while driving with his girlfriend in this silver honda. he was arrested on the spot for the murder of ryann crow. >> the evidence led us in a certain direction, and we're finders of facts and the facts that we found led us into a certain direction and ended tonight with the arrest of jesse. >> we've heard from multiple sources that, in fact, the couple were separated. the family says they have not spoken to the husband since ryann went missing. >> apparently your wife goes missing and that is a great time to go house cleaning. what 's he got in the bags? >> what was going on with his wife? >> there there are still a lot of unanswered questions. >> for now the investigation shifts to finding ryann's body. >> right now while the groom is behind bars on $3 million bail and charge of murder, the wife's body, the bride's body, still missing. straight out to mark carbonaro, program director at kion news talk. welcome, mark. what can you tell me about the arrest? >> thank you, nancy. good to be with you. i understand the police picked up jesse crow in pacific grove, a city 20 miles west of salinas on the monterey peninsula. he cooperated with the police. there was in incident. they took him into custody at that time. i talked to the public information officer, the police department just a few minutes ago and he informed me now that the woman that jesse crow was with, miss summer donovan, is a person of interest in this case. so that's more of this that could be coming out on this and apparently the police scheduled a news conference for tomorrow afternoon. >> hold on. with me mark carbonaro, kion news talk. this is news. we heard rumblings about it. you're confirming that the other woman is now a person of interest. now, this is the woman, summer donovan, that was in the car with the husband, the groom, jesse crow. >> correct. >> about 20, 26 miles, headed south. now, where does she fit into the picture? my sources are telling me that she had been a previous girlfriend. then crow meets up with ryann. they have a whirlwind romance. they race off and elope to vegas. and now the ex, who is summer donovan, is back in the picture and the wife, the bride, is missing? her body can't be found? >> that's correct. and the police have not indicated why ms. donovan is a person of interest. they are just saying that she is a person of interest. they also say they have a motive in this case but they would not discuss that with us and they said that we have to wait for the news conference tomorrow for that information. >> you know, mark, i know you're a journalist and have excellent credentials, but two and two still equals four. husband arrested for murder. he's in the car with the ex, the girlfriend, and now she's the poi. is it true, out to you clark goldband, our producer on the story, that they searched summer donovan's home? >> yes, nancy. we are able to confirm law enforcement served a search warrant on her home, nancy. her home in pacific grove, california, the location where that car was pulled over and husband, jesse crow, was arrested. >> let's go out to chris saferin, everyone. we're taking your calls live. chris, former nypd detective. ceo of kindershield agency. chris, it is great to have you. >> thank you. >> chris, come on, they search her home. they search his home. they find about 300 pot plants in a very sophisticated hydroponic marijuana growing operation. there had to be some kind of dna, something in one of those two homes. his or hers, the girlfriend, evidence that says murder. they don't have a body. they don't have a body. so they don't know where she is, if she's murdered. they have reason to believe she's murdered. what do you think? blood splatter, what did they find? >> i'm thinking they probably, you know, they're saying they have information that led them to the direction of an arrest. you know, i'm thinking they probably found sufficient evidence of blood, either in -- most likely in the marital residence. you know, as far as the person of interest in this case, you know, i've been trying to figure out how does that -- her car get 90 miles away? if he drove it out there, someone had to drive him back. >> that's a good point. maybe her fingerprints are popping up in the bride's car. we're taking your calls live. breaking news tonight. the groom of ryann crow, dead, ryann bunnell crow, just 23 years old, believed to be dead. the groom now being bars. out to lanais in oregon. hi, lanais. are you with me? >> caller: yes, i am. >> hi, dear. what's your question? >> caller: hi, nancy. >> hi, laneese. thank you for calling in. what's your question, dear? >> caller: okay. i have a question and a comment. >> okay. >> caller: my comment, at first i thought he was innocent because, you know, if you kill someone you wouldn't -- and you think the police were coming you wouldn't have 300 pot plants. so i figured, you know, he didn't do it but now i'm wondering what would be the motive of him killing her if they weren't together, he's with his ex-girlfriend or whatever, and they're not together. what could possibly be the reason to kill her? >> well, let's unleash the lawyers. joining us tonight, sue moss, family law attorney, new york. john burris, veteran trial lawyer out of the san francisco jurisdiction. out of new york, former prosecutor, now defense attorney doug burns. you know, sue moss, when you have a violent relationship, which is what we are learning that there had been domestic violence in the past, alleged, there doesn't have to be a motive. you get angry, you have a fight and husband kills wife. >> absolutely. marijuana may be his vice but i think this guy killed his wife. maybe she was going to call the police and tell them about this tremendous pot plant business that he had. i mean, he had this extraordinary system set up. maybe he was afraid that all of his money was going to go bye-bye. >> right now, breaking news in the search for ryann crow, a 23-year-old bride, there in salinas, california. her husband, the groom, just arrested for murder, the bride's body, missing. >> i cannot put it in words the pain i feel right now. it is almost unbearable, but i have to move on for ryann. i have to do this for ryann because i want to find ryann. i'm trying to hold on to hope that she's still alive. police arrest ryann's husband, jesse crow, late last night charging him with murder. even though the arrest goes down, police say they still haven't found ryann's body. >> action news has learned jesse crow has been living on and off with another woman even before his wife, ryann, went missing. we want to know if she's the reason crow isn't talking about his missing wife or taking part in any efforts to find her. police say crow did not resist arrest. he went into custody without incident. after two weeks of investigating, police felt they were running out of time and had to get crow tuesday night. the media pressure for jesse to explain why he wasn't looking for his wife or talking publicly about her was mounting. >> the pressure was pretty intense, and we were afraid that jesse may try to flee the area or something so we felt we had to take some actions. >> just hours after we covered the missing bride yesterday evening, police hone in on the groom. he was found about 26 miles away heading south. in the car, another woman. turns out it's a girlfriend in the early stage of their marriage. we're taking your calls. out to diane in florida. hi, diane. >> caller: hi, nancy. >> hi, dear. >> caller: do you think he killed her because he wanted out of the marriage because she's so young? >> you know, i've been thinking about that. let's go to caryn stark, psychologist, joining us tonight out of new york. caryn, just because you're back with your girlfriend in your marriage and apparently he had been going back and forth to the ex's house, usually you don't get killed over that. don't you think there had to be something more? >> i would think so, nancy. none of it makes a lot of sense. here's a guy who -- >> wait a minute. wait a minute. right there. caryn stark -- >> yes, nancy. >> you see hundreds of patients. you've had many years in practice. you cover crime stories along with me and are you actually trying to apply logic to the murder of this beautiful, young bride? did you just say it doesn't make sense? of course it doesn't make sense. >> that's what i was trying to explain, that somebody like this man who has been flaunting the law, he seems to be playing a game, like catch me if you can. so think about he had this girlfriend and then he got married to this woman and it's not like he was forced to marry her. so he really isn't somebody who would ever make any sense. he really is somebody who is just having a good time. that's why he doesn't care if the pressure is mounting. that he's not talking about her or he's not looking for her. he really is saying, catch me. >> back to the lawyers. john burris joining us out of san francisco. weigh in, john. >> well, i think that -- i have some concern about whether the police had enough evidence to arrest him at this time. >> oh, really? what's your concern, john? please put burris up. i want to see his face. >> yeah, because -- the concern is they said that they had to hone in on him right now because they figured they were running out of time. the question, did they have evidence or not or is this really an effort to bring him in, to hold him, maybe to squeeze him, maybe he'll talk? but the question i have is, what evidence do they really have? the fact that the body is missing doesn't make that necessarily a base for an arrest. what evidence do they have and did they feel like they were running out of time? have they jeopardized this particular investigation by arresting him before they had really solid evidence? >> i know this is the state of california but don't you still have to have a little thing called an arrest warrant? in which you lay out to an objective judge or magistrate your grounds for arrest? only if you have circumstances -- >> that's right. you have to have circumstances otherwise. the question is, what was the basis for the arrest? we don't really know that. >> hold on. hold on. >> my question is -- >> let me throw that to burns. what about it, burns? don't you have to have an arrest warrant? >> you need to establish probable cause. which in simple english means he probably did the crime. i think john's point is the police on the one hand were showing a lot of confidence which is fine. in other words, you don't need the body to go forward. then on the same token, i'm not so sure they should have done this, they threw in this comment how, we felt he was going to flee the area. it does sort of suggest they might have done it hastily, but i think they probably have good evidence if i had to guess. >> both of you guys are reaching. you're at the bottom of the barrel. you're scratching with your ten little fingernails trying to come up with something. they had to have an arrest warrant to make this arrest. this was not xi gent circumstances. police have probable cause which means they've got reason to believe the groom murdered the bride. >> on one point it's a blessing because they can find leads from that car and the other part -- point is that i'm aware she's not going to be driving her car up my driveway anymore. the evidence led us in a certain direction and we're finders of facts, and the facts that we found led us into a certain direction and it ended tonight with the arrest of jesse. the pressure was pretty -- pretty intense, and we were afraid that, you know, jesse may try to flee the area or something so we felt we had to take some action tonight. >> this is what we know. we know that the groom, jesse crow, arrested for murder. we know he was caught in the car heading south. in the car, another woman. we also know the bride's body still missing. now, here's crow and the other women, summer donovan. tonight we are learning from mark carbonaro from kion news talk she is a person of interest. did she help in the murder? without the body we really don't know, and what is leading the police to believe she is, in fact, dead? what evidence have they found to suggest that ryann crow, a 23-year-old bride, is, in fact, murdered? we are taking your calls live. to jessie in nevada. hi, jessie. >> caller: hi, nancy. we love your show. we pray for you and your family every night. we just love you to death. >> you know what, jessie? i firmly believe it's the only reason i and the twins, specifically lucy, are still here after that emergency delivery and everything that happened and then being in the intensive care for so long. and i want to thank you for those prayers because i do believe that god heard them and i thank you. now, what's your question, dear? >> caller: you're welcome. my question is, do you think that the ex-girlfriend helped the groom with the murder? or if she knows he did it and he told her anything, do you think he knows? >> susan moss, they're saying right now, according to mark carbonaro, that's she's a person of interest. the other woman. that could be anything from accomplice after the fact, it could be helping to hide the car. remember her car, another caller pointed out, was 90 miles to the north. >> it also could mean she's a material witness or has some other amount of information that could help solve this case. i'll tell you something, only a louse doesn't help look for his spouse. that alone says there's something very fishy going on. >> we arrested jesse for the homicide of ryann bunnell crow. i'm not going to go into details. we believe we have enough evidence to show that ryann has passed and that jesse is responsible for her death. ryann crow was reported missing the same day deputies raided the prunedale home he was renting and hauled away more than 300 pot plants. investigators not denying the bust may be connected to ryann's murder. monday, jesse john crow was cleaning out the rental he shared with his wife. tuesday he was pulled over with his girlfriend. he was arrested on the spot for the murder of ryann crow. police said they had the goods on jesse crow despite not finding his missing wife's body. >> we are taking your calls live. out to mark carbonaro, mark, tell me how the arrest went down and do you have any idea, what is the evidence? i mean, they don't have the body. whatever he did with the body remains a mystery. the bride's body is miss sog what do they have? they sealed the documents. we can't get our mitts on them. >> that's right. three warrants were issued. one for the crow home in prunedale. one for the home of jesse crow's parents also in prunedale, then another search warrant for summer donovan's home. those are sealed for a minimum of ten days so judge wills who issued those warrants can keep that sealed for at least another ten days from the time that he issued them. now, the arrest happened in pacific grove. in talking with the public information officer at the police department this afternoon, i really couldn't get him to admit how did you, you know, actually embark upon the arrest? did your officers follow mr. crow from his home in prunedale through salinas to pacific grove? they don't even want to let that out as to that's part of their, quote, technique. he did -- he was apprehended without incident and the other woman was in the car with him. i will tell you this, nancy. jesse crow is no stranger to the criminal court system in monterey county. looking at an index search on the monterey county superior court system, mr. crow has eight arrests, four for misdemeanors and four felony charges since 1996. now, his latest arrest besides this one came on january 25th, a misdemeanor arrest. we don't know the -- what those charges are because today is a furlough day for the court system in california because the state budget problem, so that's also why the arraignment of mr. crow is taking place tomorrow and didn't take place this morning. >> you know what? i find it hard to believe that that was not planned. out to natisha lance, producer also on the story. natisha, take me back. what were the circumstances surrounding the bride's disappearance? >> she wasn't feeling good at work. her sister came to pick her up. it was her father's birthday that evening. they went to cvs to get a card for the father. she said she was going to go to the mother's house to lay down for a bit. she dropped her sister off. the last time she was seen was in the prunedale area where the husband lived. >> okay. she was going to the mother's home, that's where she said she was headed? >> correct. >> now, clark, i had the understanding that she was going back over to the groom's home. >> well, that's what we heard from the sister. our impression was that she was headed toward that direction where the groom's home that had the marijuana also was. >> we're just getting -- i'm hearing in my ear right now, police are confirming the girlfriend, summer donovan, is a person of interest in the murder of the bride ryann crow. the 23-year-old young girl who marries jesse crow, whirlwind romance. they go to vegas and get married. ten years older than her. got a criminal record. suddenly she drops out of her school plans. she's working at a florist shop. she's extremely creative. next thing you know, she's missing. out to the lines. out to tessa in washington. hi, dear. >> caller: hi, nancy. i just wanted to let you know you're truly an inspiration. i watch you every night, and i've seen the twins grow up so fast. >> it's been just like that, tessa. i mean, if the next 16 years happen as quickly as these two years, they're going to be in college tomorrow. >> caller: i know. >> i can't believe it. i keep whispering in their ear that they can stay at home and live with mommy and go to college. so far they have not committed. oh, tell it. you know, gladly. they're the joys of my life. when i think about this girl, ryann crow, she was the joy of her parent's life. they nurtured her. they grew her. look at her. she's beautiful. and now this. >> caller: she's gorgeous. >> what's your question, love? >> caller: anyway, what i wanted to know, if he was truly a grieving husband, why is he out with some woman who is a person of interest, is not out putting together search groups and talking to the cops and all this? and another question is, has there been any incidents on file between them two? >> excellent question. whether there has been domestic violence. what do we know, mark carbonaro? >> in talking with the police this afternoon, they said they had no reports of domestic violence. had there been actually and reported domestic charges brought against either one of them, particularly mr. crow during the five months they were together, they would have been on the court records and i saw nothing of that. >> to dr. jake deutsche, doctor of emergency medicine, he is joining us out of new york tonight. dr. deutsche, thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks, nancy. >> how much blood or other evidence would have to be found, in your mind, to show that someone is actually dead? do you think it's not so much the quantity as possibly the location of the blood? >> i think the pattern of blood, if there was splatter from high velocity, if there was an arterial injury, certainly if there's a large quantity, if you're talking several liters that would be compatible with death. i think it's going to be important whose blood it is. they're going to have to do genetic testing in order to determine exactly whose blood. the other thing that came to mind, nancy, is if there's cerebrospinal fluid that may be indication of a head injury that could have been compatible with death or fatal. so those are other possibilities. >> i never would have thought of that. cerebrospinal fluid would suggest a head injury. you know, it just brings to mind the tallahassee murders with the serial killer. >> right. >> blood spatter of was found on the ceiling. ted bundy. obviously, that's what i'm talking about. when you find blood splatter on the ceiling, you know somebody's dead. if that's the only thing you find because of the velocity it would require from a blow to go from a standing position to the ceiling -- >> it's unbelievable when you see it in action. >> or even if it's throwback, dr. deutsche, in other words the person is hit with a blunt instrument and when you sling it back blood splatters up to the ceiling. the location of the blood, even if it's not a lot of blood, or as dr. deutsche just told us, cerebal spine sflud fluid. that's an interesting theory to show a head injury. what are your other thoughts, doctor? >> the other thing i was interested in, why was she feeling sick that afternoon? was there foul play prior to her disappearance that she was feeling sick from? you know, there's obviously been a mention of drugs in this case. was she, in fact, drugged and that led to her disappearance? purely speck la tori. >> you're bringing up the specter of a possible poisoning. >> that's what came to my mind. you know, i always think about the emergency medical type of situation. >> right. >> and perhaps that's why she wasn't feeling good that afternoon and, in fact -- >> it was enough, doctor, to make her stay home from her father's birthday party that she had just gone shopping for. you're thinking along those lines. i'm thinking along lines of throwback blood found on the ceiling. what's so interesting about that, out to you, chris safrin, is that it only takes a minuscule amount of blood in the right place to suggest a murder. >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean, especially if you have, you know, an artery in the neck that's been severed. that can cause a projection of an arterial spray. sure. if you find any blood on the ceiling that is a good indication. >> yeah, it's over. case closed. >> yeah, absolutely. everyone, quick break. we're taking your calls live. breaking news, there's been an arrest in the disappearance of a young bride, ryann crow. as we go to break, the joan gaeta lung cancer foundation is fighting the number one cancer killer in the world, lung cancer. claiming more lives than breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate cancer, melanoma and kidney cancer combined. joan gaeta, beloved wife. mother of five. teacher. lost her battle with lung cancer. in her honor, the third annual dancing for joan fund-raiser for lung cancer research this saturday, feb. 20th, marietta, georgia. for info or to make a donation for the cause, go to forjoan.org. $$$$$$$$$c i just want to let everyone know that i'm sorry for what i did. >> i still believe my daughter. >> i believe in my daughter. >> you're not telling me where she's at. >> because i don't [ bleep ] know where she's at. are you kidding me? >> the bombshell, and most damning evidence in the autopsy report, is caylee anthony's killer, allegedly her mother, casey, put several overlapping layers of duct tape over her mouth and jaw. >> skull dropped out with hair around it and duct tape across the mouth. >> my daughter may have some mistruths out there or half truths but she is not a murderer. >> i looked at it and examined it and saw the duct tape and saw the eye sockets and realized what it was. >> i have no one to comfort me but myself. >> my husband's a deputy sheriff. years ago. and the first thing he thought was human decomposition. i'm a nurse. i thought human decomposition. >> i got within three feet of my daughter's car and the worst odor that you could possibly smell in this world. >> it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car. >> my entire life has been taken from me. everything has been taken from me. >> do you have any interest in helping us? >> i've had interest in helping law enforcement from the beginning. unfortunately, my hands were literally tied, and i was put in a position where someone's trying to trick a confession out of me and that's not going to happen. >> if she was physically restrained her killer would have to have restrained her arm by some means. applying tape while she was conscious. as the killer looked into her face maybe her killer even saw her eyes as the tape was applied. first one piece, then two, then three so that no breath was possible. caylee was almost 3 when she died. with duct tape over her nose and her mouth. any child of that age should have had the physical ability to remove the duct tape covering her airway and preventing her from breathing. and the evidence in this case would indicate that caylee was, if not average, above average in that regard. a juror might conclude then that she must have been restrained, either chemically or physically. >> the prosecutor goes on to say the last thing the baby saw before she died was her mother's face. we are taking your calls live. today, we find out the prosecutor has laid out the theory and the murder weapon. to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer, ellie, break it down. >> well, nancy, we got a better look at some of the evidence the state has in this case. that bottle of gatorade that had traces of chloroform, a syringe found at the scene with the remains that also contained traces of chloroform. but what seems to be the most important, nancy, is that duct tape. what you just heard was from a hearing where the defense tried to get the death penalty off the table. the state laid out what sure sounded like their closing argument, their theory about how caylee died. that a piece of duct tape, not one piece, actually, but three pieces of duct tape placed over her mouth. she couldn't breathe. she died. they also explained she had to have been sedated or restrained somehow. possibly with chloroform. that may be their argument and that is how she was unable to resist when that tape was placed over her mouth. >> why was tot mom crying in court? >> well, nancy, we've recently seen her cry for the first time. number one, when the prosecutors were describing that, what they said were caylee's last moments, she began crying in court. she also cried when she finally apologized to her friend, amy huizenga, for using those checks. she tearfully apologized for not being a very good friend. >> now, let me get this straight. let me go to the lawyers on this. sue moss, john burris, doug burns. sue moss, the whole time they're looking for her daughter who turns up about ten houses down from her house, buried, really just discarded. not really even buried. thrown away like trash. triple bagged in garbage bags. the whole time they're looking for her she doesn't cry. then when she faces her girlfriend in court over some checks that she stole, she cries. why? i don't understand it. >> because lights, camera, action. the cameras were looking at her and she was playing to the crowd. and finally, finally, she was probably taking her lawyer's advice. i have to tell you something about this theory just doesn't seem right. i don't know about this duct tape. i think it was still the chloroform that led to this death. >> out to bill sheaffer, special guest joining us. former prosecutor. now wftv legal analyst who was in court. weigh in, bill schaffer. >> well, ms. moss is absolutely correct. it was lights, camera, action. it was a very poignant moment. it was riveting when the prosecutor jeff ashton laid out a theory for their case. certainly from an emotional standpoint it is very, very difficult for jurors to listen to the fact that this mother put duct tape over this child and very well may have smothered her to death and with the dying breath of this child that the child was looking into the killer's face, that is the mother. >> you know, bill, when you were saying that i was just thinking about tonight when i go home. first thing i do i drop all my bags, purell, and head straight to the twins' room. lucy has now become attached to bows and barrettes. she wants one right in the middle of her head. a big one. she goes to sleep with it. during the night i'll go in and take it out. i don't even want to pull one hair on her head. i don't even want to yank her little hair. the thought of putting this duct tape around the child's head is disgusting. and to ellie jostad, it's not just duct tape. it's very difficult to find this duct tape. i didn't realize how difficult it was to find until this hearing. >> right, nancy. what the state is alleging is that this type of tape, it's called hankel brand tape, it's a special fire-resistant type of tape. it's not sold in many stores. they say this was also linked to the anthony home. >> out to special guest joining us in sacramento, bounty hunter leonard papadilla. they don't have a single witness except the meter reader kronk. >> well, he is -- thank mr. kronk the body was found and got things rolling in the direction of a trial but right now i think the defense is about to take a deposition from one of his ex-wives which i don't know. it doesn't have anything or any bearing on mr. kronk finding the body other than to say he alleges -- >> you said all along that kronk found out about a tot mom confession behind bars and that's where he knew where the body was. hello. i'm a.j. hammer. this is a "showbiz tonight" news break. here's what's coming up at the top of the hour. jessica simpson's revenge, will jess is a simpson spill secrets about john mayer after his unbelievable sex and tell? sarah palin's attack on "family guy." tonight, palin's new, explosive interview after "the family guy" used her son as a punch line. that's your "showbiz tonight" newsbreak, tv's most provocative entertainment news show at the top of the hour on hln. if chemically restrained, her killer prepared some substance in advance that would render her unable to resist. administered the substance, awaited its effect and methodically applied three pieces of duct tape to cut off completely the flow of air to her mouth or nose. and let nature take its course. at least caylee wouldn't have had any fear. >> to the lines, cindy in north carolina. hi, cindy. >> caller: hey, nancy. first of all, i just want to y say, cherish those two babies. i have one who turned 18 and one getting ready to turn 16. cherish every moment. i'm so jealous, sheeba gets through every week and i get to talk to you once a year. i'm privileged to be talking to you. third, my question is, if they find one shred of evidence more on this duct tape, can they convict her, give her the murder sentence, will it stick? can the state overturn it? >> you mean, can the defense overturn it if she gets the murder -- >> caller: yes, ma'am. >> weigh in, john burris. >> well, of course if they convict her and find there's evidence on the duct tape that ties her to the crime, of course, that's powerful circumstantial and physical evidence. on the other hand, if they don't have that and she gets convicted, that might be evidence that goes against them. you have got to look to see what kind of direct evidence that ties her into it and or direct circumstantial evidence, i'm not sure that exists. >> doug burns, you've also got human decomposition in her car and some of the little girl's hair post mortem. absolutely with a death band at the root of the hair in the back of the trunk. i they's strong evidence. >> you have what's called harmless error, which means an error may have been made but there was compelling evidence otherwise. the other point for the caller to understand, most often on appeal you're litigating whether an error was made not so much guilt or innocence on appeal. everyone, breaking news in the tot mom case. the state released more evidence today, including honing in on the murder weapon, apparently they believe little caylee was murdered by placing duct tape, thick duct tape. wasn't just the homemade chemicals. it was basically suffocating the little girl to death. let's stop and remember army sergeant nicholas gibbs, 25, killed iraq, awarded bronze star, purple heart, iraqi campaign medal. loved sports and duke basketball and ohio state football and miami dolphins. compassionate, beautiful smile, leaves behind parents debbie and mike and two sister and three brothers. nicholas gibbs, american hero. our thanks to you for being with us. thoughts and prayers for new york friend michael mcfadden. michael heading into surgery, a very dear friend. please, stay strong. everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night. 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend.