is to say it's a failure of leadership. and, in fact, what i found is there are powers have been diffused so thoroughly in state and local government that you can't get a big project done. >> aren't we fixing it, though? isn't there a multi, multibillion dollar project right now under way to fix it? >> the governor cuomo after years and years of effort, this is a 30-year effort. 30 years patent, moynihan started talking about this in the late '80s. here fwher nearly 2020. you're right, a new facility is going to open and that's due in large part to governor cuomo pushing and pushing. he's been governor for ten years. it shouldn't take this long for a station that takes in 650,000 people a day to be rebuilt. >> there's the particulars of pen station and city of baltimore trafl baltimore travels through it every day, as you put it. but this seems to me to be a