sorry if i was acting on behalf of the vice president that it would be official duties and that is what mark meadows is arguing. that's what a number of other codefendants in this case are also arguing. they are acting under the direction. what do you think we will learn in this hearing about potentially getting these cases moved to federal court? >> first of all, the removal makes no difference for how the trial actually goes down. it would be the same prosecutors and same state charges. it's just the venue would be federal court rather than state court. this is really about the poll for federal courts in atlanta. jurors are drawn from all over the city. the suburbs too. it is more. diverse than the fulton county atlanta juries. a lot more white folks and a lot more people from the suburbs. i think a lot of defendants thinks that that's as a friendlier jewelry for them. >> i never thought diversity and white people would be in the same sentence. paul butler, i learn something