list and investigated in kentucky. but you think the most impressive evidence for how important it is to get the sanctions lifted is how much time and attention vladimir putin has put to the issue. as you very rightly described in your opening remarks today, it is a central talking point that he does all the time, and they've always thought that some day, some way, president trump would finally deliver on what he promised during the campaign in 2016. >> in terms of how barr is approaching this, this new news, not very much surprises me anymore. i was legitimately surprised to see this report in "the washington post" that the reason that william barr was meteorologist in italy this past week is because he's been personally working the italian government try to get them to cooperate in this investigation, that they're hoping will undo the attribution of them