states will be under a second trump term with no guardrails and frightening and that's the number one case democrats need to make. >> let's not forget mark esper did say he wanted him to shoot people at protests. let's talk about roger stone for a moment. roger stone is the guy who in the summer of 2020 looked at the polls, saw that his guy was losing, that donald trump was losing, and said you know what we're going to do. we're just going to declare victory and say we won anyway. this is the guy in on the idea beforehand that they were going to lie because they were going to lose. how you have him talking with a cop, a former cop, about killing two democratic representatives. will there be any fallout from that? >> well, i don't know. i don't know what you can do to roger stone. if he's just talking about it, i don't know that it suffices for a conspiracy. you need an agreement to put somebody in jail. but it just goes to show, if this is real, i mean, the fact we can even think it's real tells you a lot about the people who surround donald trump. donald trump himself is a man