0 the show that airs right here on msnbc, on saturday and sunday mornings at 10:00 a.m. and joining me here at the table, is msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson, professor of sociology at georgetown university. and maya wiley, civil rights attorney and founder and president of the center if social inclusion, a social justice non-profit. melissa, i want to begin with you. you were incredibly compelling and eloquent and emotional in what you said on saturday night, and on sunday. how are you feeling about the fallout from the verdict now, today on monday? >> well, you know, chris, i think you and i have talked before, when we've -- you got, initially had your weekend show about a year before i got the m.h.p. show and how odd it felt as people who weren't initially journalists to suddenly have a tv show in this way. i have to say this weekend was maybe one of the first times when i felt really not up to the task, that a lot of the personal rawness of the emotional experience was potentially overcoming anything that i had ostensible or head of that state is a black man and the head of the justice system is another black man. yet we know now that symbolic representation of our enormous progress undeniable is juxtaposed to the reality, the system, robin kelly makes this argument in a brilliant piece in "counterpunch." he said it's not that the system failed us, the system worked as it's supposed to work because the system has been rigged against us from the very beginning. we've never been able to stand our ground because the system has protected white peoplehood, white property and white privilege and that's the bottom line. >> maya? >> i -- i was a little undone by your opening clips. i thought i had gotten to a point where the raw emotion of that, seeing sybrina say, this is my son, this is your son. it's very much still present. what i think is most important, which, and i agree with both melissa and michael, the justice system is not a just system. and one of the most damaging, damaging to the fabric of the nation and damaging to the reform is that we now have people saying, trayvon martin was convicted. not george zimmerman was acquitted because there was not sufficient proof but that trayvon martin was convicted of a crime. >> right. there was this incredible -- i have to say that i have -- i have actually tried very hard throughout the trial to kind of give the defense the benefit of the doubt, as human beings because they are -- i have a lot of respect for defense attorneys. and it's a hard job and they are doing their constitutional duty to defend their client and with as much zeal and vigor as they can. i thought the press, the post-verdict press conference was an abomination, was just an absolute -- because you don't have to do that. there's nothing you have to do about that press conference. i want to play this one clip, because this was the one that really, like, really made me angry. this is don west and mark o'mara. take a look. >> i think the prosecution of george zimmerman was disgraceful. as happy as i am for george zimmerman, i'm thrilled that this jury kept this tragedy from becoming a travesty. >> i think that the things would have been different if george zimmerman was black for this reason. he never would have been charged with a crime. >> melissa, did that -- >> so what i appreciate about what you just said is something i think we have to keep in mind here that is critical going forward, and that, you know, that's right, george zimmerman was absolutely, constitutionally had the right to a vigorous defense. these defense attorneys put on a vigorous defense. i think there's a lot of reasons to ask about how vigorous the prosecution was. that said, what we are now looking at is sort of the social and political and economic construction that comes around this case and that's the thing that's bigger than the actual trial, itself. >> you know, someone said this thing on twitter, i think it was a guy named jim henley who i really like and follow. he said, you know, i hope -- i have one thought, i hope george zimmerman goes home tonight and thinks about what he did and what happened, but there is this world awaiting him that wants to embrace him as a hero. there's an entire universe to whom he has become -- >> he's been made on icon. i ran into my hotel that evening, ran into george zimmerman's best friend. we had a vigorous, nonhostile conversation for 20 minutes. i said to him, sir, your friend just murdered an unarmed young man. he said, but there was no probable cause for him to be arrested. i said, we're not only speaking different languages, we're living in different universes. there is a world awaiting george zimmerman that will support him economically, that will make him an icon. he's become a kind of patron saint of the right wing in a very serious way. >> and seeing the reaction to the verdict, this crazy, you know, way the verdict was processed through the american lens of both racial polarization and partisan polarization, was just, like -- >> they converged. >> on the one hand for the defense attorneys to say this was not about race, and then on the other hand to come out and say if george zimmerman was a blackman, he wouldn't be charged, is to say we're actually trying to say it is about race and we're trying to flip the script. >> the other thing i found so fascinating is this conservative obsession with zimmerman's race, the fact that he is -- that he is not white. the thing i keep saying is, it is about trayvon martin's race. this case. i mean, when sean bell was shot by new york cops, some of which who happened to be african-american, the people i know, the activists in new york were not like, it's okay because some of the cops were black. it's about this -- >> chris, this is such an important point. i've been hearing in the days since, this language, we're all racist in some ways. i. to be really clear. sure, we are. we're all racist against african-americans. it's not that we're all racists and black folks are racist against whites. there is a constant group for whom there is this sense of criminality, a sense of, you know, being takers, not makers. and that is shared even among often members of that group because of how our media operates and because of how a deep history of segregation and the continuing realities of that segregation operate to reinforce those beliefs about blackness and black bodies. >> melissa, i want you to speak around. we're going to bring in congressman hakeem jeffries to talk about what could happen at the federal level after we take this break.