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raised, and how other people perceive us. >> steve: and she runs npr. listen, you know, it's extraordinary that somebody who was so clearly a partisan. she was on the national democratic institute in the 2020 cycle she was wearing a joe biden for president hat to have somebody so political run that, that's why so many republicans are saying why do hundreds of millions of dollars go into public broadcasting? it is a lefty operation and they should be able to sustain themselves. if they're not going to -- you know, present both sides ever the story. >> brian: uri berliner is not a conservative he is more like bill maher. we own up to the fact we got russia wrong and laptop wrong and own up to the fact we have anti-trump agenda instead of just american agenda being critical.