is what a _ encompass all of those factors. that is what a good policy process are designed — is what a good policy process are designed to do.— is what a good policy process are designed to do. thank you, my lady. thank you — designed to do. thank you, my lady. thank you. good _ designed to do. thank you, my lady. thank you. good afternoon. - designed to do. thank you, my lady. thank you. good afternoon. i- designed to do. thank you, my lady. thank you. good afternoon. i will. thank you. good afternoon. i will ask questions _ thank you. good afternoon. i will ask questions for _ thank you. good afternoon. i will ask questions for four _ thank you. good afternoon. i will ask questions for four national i ask questions for four national disabled — ask questions for four national disabled people's— ask questions for four national i disabled people's organisations. ask questions for four national - disabled people's organisations. in july 2020, — disabled people's organisations. in july 2020, before _ disabled people's organisations. in july 2020, before leaving - disabled people's organisations. in july 2020, before leaving post- disabled people's organisations. in. july 2020, before leaving post moyu .ave july 2020, before leaving post moyu gave a _ july 2020, before leaving post moyu gave a final — july 2020, before leaving post moyu gave a final valedictory _ july 2020, before leaving post moyu gave a final valedictory lecture - july 2020, before leaving post moyu gave a final valedictory lecture at. gave a final valedictory lecture at oxford _ gave a final valedictory lecture at oxford university _ gave a final valedictory lecture at oxford university —— _ gave a final valedictory lecture at oxford university —— you - gave a final valedictory lecture at oxford university —— you gave . gave a final valedictory lecture at oxford university —— you gave a i oxford university —— you gave a final— oxford university —— you gave a final valedictory— oxford university —— you gave a final valedictory lecture, - oxford university —— you gave a final valedictory lecture, it- oxford university —— you gave a final valedictory lecture, it is. final valedictory lecture, it is exhibited _ final valedictory lecture, it is exhibited in— final valedictory lecture, it is exhibited in your— final valedictory lecture, it is exhibited in your statement. i final valedictory lecture, it is. exhibited in your statement. in which _ exhibited in your statement. in which you — exhibited in your statement. in which you endorsed _ exhibited in your statement. in which you endorsed the - exhibited in your statement. in which you endorsed the need l exhibited in your statement. in| which you endorsed the need to exhibited in your statement. in - which you endorsed the need to build back better, — which you endorsed the need to build back better, especially _ which you endorsed the need to build back better, especially given - back better, especially given covid's — back better, especially given covid's adverse _ back better, especially given covid's adverse affect - back better, especially given covid's adverse affect on - back better, especially given. covid's adverse affect on what back better, especially given - covid's adverse affect on what you called _ covid's adverse affect on what you called the — covid's adverse affect on what you called the poorest _ covid's adverse affect on what you called the poorest and _ covid's adverse affect on what you called the poorest and most - called the poorest and most vulnerable _ called the poorest and most vulnerable in _ called the poorest and most vulnerable in society, - called the poorest and most vulnerable in society, i- called the poorest and most vulnerable in society, i canl called the poorest and most i vulnerable in society, i can see called the poorest and most - vulnerable in society, i can see you nodding. _ vulnerable in society, i can see you nodding. so— vulnerable in society, i can see you nodding. so you _ vulnerable in society, i can see you nodding, so you recall. _ vulnerable in society, i can see you nodding, so you recall. on - vulnerable in society, i can see you nodding, so you recall. on that - vulnerable in society, i can see you nodding, so you recall. on that we| nodding, so you recall. on that we want _ nodding, so you recall. on that we want to— nodding, so you recall. on that we want to ask— nodding, so you recall. on that we want to ask you _ nodding, so you recall. on that we want to ask you firstly— nodding, so you recall. on that we want to ask you firstly about - want to ask you firstly about consultation _ want to ask you firstly about consultation with _ want to ask you firstly about consultation with groups - want to ask you firstly about i consultation with groups from outside — consultation with groups from outside government, - consultation with groups from outside government, and - consultation with groups from - outside government, and secondly about— outside government, and secondly about the — outside government, and secondly about the way— outside government, and secondly about the way that _ outside government, and secondly about the way that government. outside government, and secondly about the way that government isl about the way that government is internally— about the way that government is internally organised _ about the way that government is internally organised when - about the way that government is internally organised when it - internally organised when it comes to considering _ internally organised when it comes to considering inequality. - internally organised when it comes to considering inequality. so - internally organised when it comes to considering inequality. so first l to considering inequality. so first on outside — to considering inequality. so first on outside consultation. - to considering inequality. so first on outside consultation. there i to considering inequality. so first on outside consultation. there is| to considering inequality. so first. on outside consultation. there is a report— on outside consultation. there is a report from — on outside consultation. there is a report from the _ on outside consultation. there is a report from the institute _ on outside consultation. there is a report from the institute for - report from the institute for government— report from the institute for government that _ report from the institute for government that was - report from the institute for government that was in - report from the institute for| government that was in your report from the institute for - government that was in your every diffidence — government that was in your every diffidence pack, _ government that was in your every diffidence pack, titled _ diffidence pack, titled decision—making - diffidence pack, titled decision—making in. diffidence pack, titled i decision—making in crisis diffidence pack, titled - decision—making in crisis versus responses — decision—making in crisis versus responses to _ decision—making in crisis versus responses to the _ decision—making in crisis versus responses to the current - decision—making in crisis versus responses to the current virus l responses to the current virus pandemic _ responses to the current virus pandemic -- _ responses to the current virus pandemic -- in— responses to the current virus pandemic. —— in your- responses to the current virus| pandemic. —— in your evidence responses to the current virus - pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. can we— pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. can we go— pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. can we go to— pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. can we go to page _ pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. can we go to page 50, _ pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. can we go to page 50, please. - pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. can we go to page 50, please. i- pandemic. —— in your evidence pack. | can we go to page 50, please. i want to look— can we go to page 50, please. i want to look at— can we go to page 50, please. i want to look at the _ can we go to page 50, please. i want to look at the top — can we go to page 50, please. i want to look at the top paragraph - can we go to page 50, please. i want to look at the top paragraph first, - to look at the top paragraph first, and the _ to look at the top paragraph first, and the recommendation - to look at the top paragraph first, and the recommendation as - to look at the top paragraph first, and the recommendation as to i and the recommendation as to bringing — and the recommendation as to bringing representatives- and the recommendation as to bringing representatives of- and the recommendation as to . bringing representatives of those affected — bringing representatives of those affected by— bringing representatives of those affected by a _ bringing representatives of those affected by a decision _ bringing representatives of those affected by a decision into- bringing representatives of those affected by a decision into the i bringing representatives of those i affected by a decision into the room compensates — affected by a decision into the room compensates for— affected by a decision into the room compensates for imperfect - compensates for imperfect information. _ compensates for imperfect information. it _ compensates for imperfect information. it is _ compensates for imperfect | information. it is inevitable compensates for imperfect i information. it is inevitable in a crisis _ information. it is inevitable in a crisis that— information. it is inevitable in a crisis that decision—making i information. it is inevitable in a crisis that decision—making is l crisis that decision—making is centralised _ crisis that decision—making is centralised to— crisis that decision—making is centralised to some - crisis that decision—making is centralised to some degree, i crisis that decision—making is l centralised to some degree, as ministers — centralised to some degree, as ministers want _ centralised to some degree, as ministers want to _ centralised to some degree, as ministers want to act _ centralised to some degree, as ministers want to act quickly. centralised to some degree, as. ministers want to act quickly and take control _ ministers want to act quickly and take control. but— ministers want to act quickly and take control. but bringing - take control. but bringing non—government- take control. but bringingi non—government partners take control. but bringing - non—government partners inside take control. but bringing _ non—government partners inside the tent helps _ non—government partners inside the tent helps compensate _ non—government partners inside the tent helps compensate for _ non—government partners inside the tent helps compensate for the - tent helps compensate for the uncertainty _ tent helps compensate for the uncertainty created _ tent helps compensate for the uncertainty created by- tent helps compensate for the . uncertainty created by imperfect information _ uncertainty created by imperfect information in _ uncertainty created by imperfect information in a _ uncertainty created by imperfect information in a crisis _ uncertainty created by imperfect information in a crisis as - uncertainty created by imperfect information in a crisis as well i uncertainty created by imperfect information in a crisis as well as| information in a crisis as well as building — information in a crisis as well as building trust _ information in a crisis as well as building trust and _ information in a crisis as well as building trust and creating - information in a crisis as well as| building trust and creating allies to explain— building trust and creating allies to explain and _ building trust and creating allies to explain and defend _ building trust and creating allies to explain and defend policy. i building trust and creating alliesl to explain and defend policy. and building trust and creating allies i to explain and defend policy. and in the next _ to explain and defend policy. and in the next of— to explain and defend policy. and in the next of examples _ to explain and defend policy. and in the next of examples are _ to explain and defend policy. and in the next of examples are given i to explain and defend policy. and in the next of examples are given of l the next of examples are given of those _ the next of examples are given of those who — the next of examples are given of those who would _ the next of examples are given of those who would benefit - the next of examples are given of those who would benefit from, i the next of examples are given of those who would benefit from, in| the next of examples are given of i those who would benefit from, in its words. _ those who would benefit from, in its words. being— those who would benefit from, in its words, being brought— those who would benefit from, in its words, being brought into— those who would benefit from, in its words, being brought into the - those who would benefit from, in its words, being brought into the tent, i words, being brought into the tent, things— words, being brought into the tent, things like — words, being brought into the tent, things like business— words, being brought into the tent, things like business groups - words, being brought into the tent, things like business groups and i things like business groups and unions — things like business groups and unions with— things like business groups and unions with regard _ things like business groups and unions with regard to _ things like business groups and | unions with regard to decisions. things like business groups and i unions with regard to decisions. bat in the _ unions with regard to decisions. bat in the next — unions with regard to decisions. bat in the next. that _ unions with regard to decisions. bat in the next. that creates _ unions with regard to decisions. bat in the next. that creates a - unions with regard to decisions. bat in the next. that creates a benefit, i in the next. that creates a benefit, knowing _ in the next. that creates a benefit, knowing about _ in the next. that creates a benefit, knowing about ground _ in the next. that creates a benefit, knowing about ground intelligence | knowing about ground intelligence and goodwill — knowing about ground intelligence and goodwill and _ knowing about ground intelligence and goodwill and trust. _ knowing about ground intelligence and goodwill and trust. so- knowing about ground intelligence and goodwill and trust. so firstly, i and goodwill and trust. so firstly, do you _ and goodwill and trust. so firstly, do you agree _ and goodwill and trust. so firstly, do you agree with _ and goodwill and trust. so firstly, do you agree with that _ do you agree with that recommendation i do you agree with that recommendation and. do you agree with that. recommendation and as do you agree with that - recommendation and as you do you agree with that _ recommendation and as you setting your own _ recommendation and as you setting your own final— recommendation and as you setting your own final lecture, _ recommendation and as you setting your own final lecture, in _ your own final lecture, in particular. _ your own final lecture, in particular, that _ your own final lecture, in i particular, that governments your own final lecture, in _ particular, that governments should work much — particular, that governments should work much more _ particular, that governments should work much more to _ particular, that governments should work much more to come _ particular, that governments should work much more to come i- particular, that governments should work much more to come i will- particular, that governments should work much more to come i will use i work much more to come i will use your— work much more to come i will use your words. — work much more to come i will use yourwords, "co—designlts- work much more to come i will use your words, "co—designlts pulses. your words, "co—designlts pulses with those — your words, "co—designlts pulses with those affected _ your words, "co—designlts pulses with those affected by _ your words, "co—designlts pulses with those affected by them i your words, "co—designlts pulses. with those affected by them and"? your words, "co—designlts pulses- with those affected by them and"? —— co-design _ with those affected by them and"? —— co-design its — with those affected by them and"? —— co—design its policies. _ with those affected by them and"? —— co—design its policies. mgr— with those affected by them and"? -- co-design its policies.— co-design its policies. my first answer to _ co-design its policies. my first answer to the _ co-design its policies. my first answer to the question - co-design its policies. my first answer to the question is i co-design its policies. my first answer to the question is yes, | co-design its policies. my first | answer to the question is yes, i think the pulse report sets it out very well, we didn't touch on it in detail in my earlier evidence but as we were planning the release from the first lockdown a major part of that was engagement, sorry, i want to look around from the microphone. was engagement with businesses and other representative groups to create the safer workplaces programme, that is one of the three dozen programmes i referred to. and of course, that should, as i said earlier, to the earlier question, in any good policy process, involve engagement with other representative groups including, of course, of different and particularly in these circumstances different groups of the most vulnerable in society. but co—design, absolutely, i believe better policy results from that. you've effectively pre—empted my second _ you've effectively pre—empted my second question _ you've effectively pre—empted my second question but _ you've effectively pre—empted my second question butjust- you've effectively pre—empted my second question but just to - you've effectively pre—empted my second question butjust to makei second question butjust to make clear— second question butjust to make clear to _ second question butjust to make clear to my— second question butjust to make clear to my lady, _ second question butjust to make clear to my lady, in— second question butjust to make clear to my lady, in a _ second question butjust to make clear to my lady, in a sense, i second question butjust to make clear to my lady, in a sense, the| clear to my lady, in a sense, the reference — clear to my lady, in a sense, the reference to _ clear to my lady, in a sense, the reference to business _ clear to my lady, in a sense, the reference to business groups i clear to my lady, in a sense, thel reference to business groups and unions _ reference to business groups and unions might— reference to business groups and unions might describe _ reference to business groups and unions might describe old—style i unions might describe old—style corporatist _ unions might describe old—style corporatist references, - unions might describe old—style corporatist references, the i unions might describe old—style. corporatist references, the policy conceivably— corporatist references, the policy conceivably speaks _ corporatist references, the policy conceivably speaks to _ corporatist references, the policy conceivably speaks to business i conceivably speaks to business groups — conceivably speaks to business groups and _ conceivably speaks to business groups and unions _ conceivably speaks to business groups and unions but - conceivably speaks to business groups and unions but i- conceivably speaks to business groups and