luminary to get it done and they did, wolf. >> we see those pens and that's what the viewers are saying there. the president will sit down after his remarks sign it and there will be a lot of applause. from the east room, ed, walk us through. he then goes where? the department of interior to deliver a much more robust speech about health care? >> that's right. he'll have a lot of these members of congress there, doctors, nurses, people who will be affected by this legislation as well. originally what they wanted to do and we've seen this many times before, wolf, they wanted to have a big signing ceremony on the south lawn, but the weather in washington has not cooperated the last couple of days and there's a much bigger room and the president will typically use that from time to time when they'll make remarks to a larger room. so they wanted to sign the bill in the east room, 260, 265 chairs in the east room and they'll have something like 600 people over at department of the interior. again, a sign of how many