it. a former policeman. and bart gordon, at bart from tennessee, another one who will tell you it's not as much fun in washington. we can't get together. we can't find the middle ground, it's left and right and extremes, a lot of guys who consider themselves in the middle not as much fun anymore so if they see a new challenge or opportunity, let's go, i'll take it. >> it's a big question. what do the moderates do, where are they? >> where is the middle in the politics. the middle tends to matter in november, but right now to gloria's point, we have republican senators in utah being challenged from the right, blanche lincoln from arkansas being challenged frommer her left. the challenge is to gin up your base, the left and the right are the loudest voices and a lot of people in the middle say what about? >> raise your hand. >> add in the vitriol and some of the record number of threats against members of congress right now, some people are saying, do you know what, i got better things to do. >> president obama wants to change it. president bush wanted to change it. >> president bush wanted to change it. >> and it's a pattern. >> it's a pattern. they all say they will make
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