mediocre in space. there are some people who believe that the idea of getting a man to the moon was one of the greatest efforts that the u.s. ever came together on and that it needs to be a government-backed effort. is that true? >> it used to be true, in the very beginning. it's not true now. you know, the example about, you know, the u.s. government buys its airplanes from boeing, it flies on southwest or american, you know you buy your computers from apple or dell. the government doesn't build their own computers. what we need to do is inspire the next generation of scientists and engineers. and you tell me, if someone in computer field rather go work for google or apple or for government-based computer company, the same way they'll want to go and work for these aerospace entrepreneurs who are building the vehicles. the number $65 million a seat for a government shuttle, i don't know where you get that. the average cost of a shuttle flight is $1 billion and there are six or seven people on board. you do the math.