what we're doing and for the mountain and for the ethics of what goes on here. it's not a little kid headed to the himalayas to climb. >> you have heard some of the criticism out there. like you say, at 13 with at much experience as he has, it's better than a grown person who's 50 or 60 trying to do it. he's in better shape than some of them. but the criticism is that parents these days are pushing kids younger and younger to do bigger and greater things, pushing them physically and mentally. i will let you go ahead and address the questions that you know people who are watching this right now would have about isn't this a little too young and a little too dangerous? you heard it from jordan himself. this was his idea. now a dad doesn't just let a kid do anything he wants to do. that would be completely nuts. but what's in a number? what does 13 really represent?