appeals court judges. the other thing she has to establish is that she will be independent. she is associated with democratic politics. she worked in the clinton white house. she was a high-ranking member of the -- is a high-ranking member of the obama justice department. the idea that she will be a judge for all people, not just democrats, is going to be something she is going to have to stoeb. >> victoria turnsing? >> but, of course, in the end, there is a 60/40 split in that senate, and the democrats, even though they lost robert byrd, will still control this whole hearing. so what the republicans are going to have to do is educate the public. i don't have a problem so much with her not being a judge. i do have a problem with her not having been a real lawyer. i mean, i have a box of tissues in my office for people who come to me as clients, because -- and i understand having been in government for 20 years and now i'm private practice for about the same amount of time, what the government can do, and what it means when the government