something like 30 models? >> well, there's more weathermen than that. >> that's for sure. they all have a different model is what you're telling me? >> they all use different parameters. somebody might use -- these are all models, garbage in, garbage out. if they're junk, they're junk. if they're great, they're awesome. somebody may use a wind 2,000 feet in the sky. somebody may use the surface wind. how much you factor in every different piece of the pie is what's going to happen. here's the problem. how many people, richard, live right there? how many people live there? >> i would guess none. >> zero. how many weather balloons do you think go up right there? same number. this is the issue when trying to predict a storm in the pacific that comes onshore in california, washington, oregon. or try to predict a hurricane in the middle of the atlantic when no one is there to put up the weather balloons. >> a lot of guessing. >> a lot of guessing goes on. the hurricane center does