promoting a sense of a separate nation, a black nation or two different nations within this one. what is your response? do you see any credibility to that argument? >> describing a journey, struggle, deep into the experience of slavery, was written during the time of jim crow and lynching and it is descriptive. it represents all of the multi-cultural heritages in america. everything about the song it seems to me reflects our experience as we seek to expand the big tent to include all americans. >> i don't think anyone is arguing about the message in the song of struggle. but the argument that he is making at least that when you label something "a black national anthem," when you label it that, then in fact you are doing something that's dekrimmer to adiscriminatory and divisive