>> i do think she can win. i think she can win as soon as people like karl rove stop going on television and trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. we haven't even begun to try yet. i liked michael steele's approach. i can't believe i'm saying this, but i think karl rove could take notes from how michael steele approached this. but that doesn't help going on camera saying that a candidate isn't credible and just talking about how, well it took her two decades to pay off her college loans. well, forgive her for not being rich like you, karl rove. but you want to talk about winning moderates and independents, that's not the way to go about it. it's really bizarre. >> that's not the only measure of credibility. i don't think karl rove is focusing exclusively on can she win. i think there's a reputational harm he is worried about when the republican party that has a mike castle who has been a serious thoughtful public servant is defeated by somebody whose views on issues seem to be completely disparate and far afield from normal ideas that are tethered to fact and reason. i think that is what karl rove is scared about. there's a reputational hit the