of incongruity. i'm just guessing here but he probably has a theological position that motivates him in some areas of his life. then he has, if these allegations are true, then there's the reality of his own humanity that he is struggling with. and of course the big goal is for all of us to become increasingly congruent between our faith, our belief system, and our own actions. and so certainly if what he is going to go through is what i went through, i had to face myself and accept the reality of me, who i was, what was going on, how that interfaces with scripture, how that interfaces with life, and get those issues settled. and that's what happens when people go through a crisis like this. >> so the church is a very -- >> i know. it's very confusing. >> it is. what i'm saying is the church is a very forgiving place.