next five years. >> vice president kind of clapping. someone outclapped the audience, vice president. i guess he's sort of paid to clap. why the cold reception to this particular idea? >> well, the democrats think that it goes too far. there's too much spending cuts or freezing there. the republicans think the president's proposal doesn't go far enough. and what the president is really doing is laying out a position to see where he can go with the republicans on this. so immediately after the speech i was outside the chamber where the president was speaking and i cat up with two of the tea party freshmen and the minority leader who says the proposal just isn't enough. >> not enough because it freezes in at a much liar level than we ought to be at because it takes you'll the excess spending of the last two years and then freezes it. >> we've had an increase in our debt. this year's spending is too high. we need a find to go beyond the