fortify the entrances to the square. jihad, jihad. piers? >> ivan, thank you for that report, and we'll come back to you later on to see what's going on. thank you. barbara, i suppose the obvious question i'd like to ask you, you've spent all your life in america. when the average american is watching this, how interested do you think they are? how interested should they be? >> well, the pictures are horrific, so you're interested just watching, but gets to be a point when they all begin to look alike. listen, americans have never been that interested in foreign policy unless there is a crisis. most people would not in this country know who mubarak was, wouldn't know his name. they wouldn't know who your prime minister cameron is if you asked them. in times of a crisis, of course, they do. and they are not the leaders with the big names like sadat and like margaret thatcher, like fidel castro, but what people are now realizing is that what happens in that world, what would it mean to us if that whole area was against america,