isolated incidents, isolate fanatf fanati fanatics, isolated terrorists but an organized terrorist effort is different which requires an investigation unto itself. >> you know, i think the problem here is do you already have -- you already have an idea of what you think is wrong, correct? you believe that muslim american leaders are not cooperating enough with law enforcement, is that correct? >> i believe not enough -- well, i am starting off, the number of thesis i believe in. hoef, what i want more than anything is have a national debate on the niche which is -- >> i mean, you know, what do you want to know? why have it? i'm just -- i'm lost as to why, because so many people say, this may fuel islamaphobia or cause them to work less with the government because it looks like the government is after them. >> i say, watch the hearing and decide then. the hearing will be productive,
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