>> right. >> the only people saying that have jobs. they're economists. >> i hope you're right about the entrepreneurship. one of the stories we've been covering as well, there are companies putting out job applications saying we will only consider you if you currently are employed. the unemployed need not apply. that is happening, the eeoc, the government is investigating it. so you're right, it might be entrepreneurship might be the only thing that will get somebody employed. >> when you think about microfinance and things like that, chris, giving people small amounts of money to start small enterprises, maybe that's the kind of thing we'll have to start to see here in america, where unemployed people can start small enterprises. right now, you don't have a job, you're not able to keep your house, you're not getting a loan to start a business. chris, thanks so much. always a pleasure to see you. come back, and christine, hang out where you are.