face and never follow through. >> that's right. until they give u.s. officials access to these women and children, i wouldn't believe it any way. so i'm not sure -- >> do you believe that bin laden's son, hamza, might have escaped? >> absolutely not. it's inconceivable. to those of us who have been involved in military planning and operations, it's not like every s.e.a.l. who landed on these helicopters went into the house at the same time. there were s.e.a.l.s that would have stayed with the helicopters. they would have formed a perimeter around it. you have to imagine that this 19-year-old kid in pitch black of night, after 1:00 in the morning, he's going to scale 18 or 10-foot walls all by himself, get over them and get away while you have a perimeter of navy s.e.a.l.s watching the place. it's impossible to me. >> so it's a false report out there? >> that's right. >> do we know much about this son of bin laden's, hamza? >> reporter: we really don't. i mean, you know, he's one of about 11 sons. he's on the younger side. he would have -- he seems to have been -- he showed up in