this. >> i remember watching him speak for the first time around 2004 i think it was, thinking wow, who is this guy? because he just had something. i don't know if people picked up on it and he ended up running and winning. and then you make your speech there. what's the moment like for you personally, on a human level, when you walk into the white house for the first time with your brother-in-law as the president of the united states? >> well, i got to tell you, the first thing, piers, that struck me was how small the inside of the white house was. >> it's a lot smaller than you think, suspect it isn't it? >> the building looks grand, but when you go in, it's really small. the only bed big enough for a 6'6" guy is the one in the lincoln bedroom. >> so if you don't get that, you've had it. >> that's right. >> was it a surreal moment for you?