is money is now a voice, the average man doesn't stand a chance against the rich wall street guys. >> if that's the case, i want all of the e-mails i get from these candidates asking me to send $5, or $25, let's get 50 of those a day. >> it's not the $5 or $10. the super pacs are millionaires writing million-dollar checks to peddle their influence. that's not about the average american. it's corrupting our democracy. >> rich, what is the argument for the super pacs? >> it's that a donation to a campaign, local or federal, is a first amendment right. it is free speech. and the supreme court agreed that it is in fact free speech and can't be prohibited under the first amendment of the constitution. let me go back to perry for a second. i lived in texas for most of the '90s. the whole assessment thing, i get that. a guy throwing open the doors to