which way he goes there. that chief of staff, too, quite a bit has to have donald trump's back when it comes to being able to manage when it comes to tweeting and such. >> absolutely. >> that would be part of the job description for them. moving on. once he gets his people in place and he's had traditional people. rudy giuliani has been around for some time. how is the world seeing this a few days on, the donald trump thing? imt. >> i think it's an extraordinary thing for leaders to watch. deeply concerning. this has been an america they're not used to observing, especially here in europe where i sit. it's been, of course, considerable concern. nato secretary general has written today saying there is no more worrying time in this generation for european security and for the transatlantic partnership and that america's commitment to nato is absolutely