believe there's -- i'm trying to remember when the paula jones case started. i think it started when after president -- after bill clinton took the oath of office. the interesting thing is that trump doesn't gain anything from doing this undergoing this trial while he's president. in 1997, the supreme court in the case involving president clinton ruled that presidents, even sitting presidents, have to participate in civil cases involving possible infractions that occurred before they became president. so it's very strange that his lawyers decided this. he's not going to benefit much from it happening during his presidency. one wonders why he thinks he'll have more time as president to deal with this than he would have as president-elect. >> david, either way, the headline, the association with this trial as president elect or as president certainly would be