savings, if interest rates start to rise that finally helps the savers again so that is something we need. i think the idea of an infrastructure program is a good thing for the country. i mean most people on the right and the left would agree with that. tax cuts i'm not so sure about. i mean if you look at the last 20 years, big tax cuts have actually not created a lot of -- >> everybody wants their taxes cut though. polite kay it sounds good. >> i know. >> sure it's great to have infrastructure. there are things that are crumbling. that could use a face-lift. but we just had senator lankford on to say there are all sorts of republicans who have fought any stimulus spending, any more spending so we don't know how the numbers he's giving out -- >> rounding errors on rounding errors. you look at how we saw waste fraud and abuse, it's so easy to say we're going to get rid of waste, fraud and abuse. >> separate and apart from that the terms of the spending war the jury is out on whether there's an appetite for that. >> we have to fund the right stuff. that's a big deal.