more happier than on the campaign trail. maybe donald trump will exhibit -- >> i don't think president obama got out as much as he wanted to, to be honest. >> that's when you saw the energy come out. >> right. >> that's exactly what you said. kirsten, what did you make of this? do you think he spoke to the folks who were of the trump presidency? >> no, i don't. i agree with gloria. you know, he won. if he wants to come out and do something with the people who supported him, i say fine. i don't have a problem with that. i don't think that now is the moment that he has to try to do the unifying and i'm going to separate myself from most people. i don't even -- i'm not even bothered about attacking the media. look, we got it really wrong. really wrong. and the fact of the matter is, he had to live through a campaign of people saying over and over that he was never going to win, all of these things were never going to happen. he's allowed to vent about it. i don't think it's presidential for him to continue to do that, but if he wants to have this