nato to russia's borders. are you aware that nato artillery can hit st. peters berg? imagine if chinese or russian artillery could hit washington? the country would be more hysterical than it is. we were talking about -- >> they could hit many capitals. >> let's talk about the united states because this is a debate among ourselves. i mean, he has his fight in moscow. we need to debate among ourselves for a wise policy. trump, though i didn't support him, is an opportunity to rethink american policy. you asked or somebody asked would detente be a good thing. i think it's the essential thing. i think it's the only way to save our national security given this perilous moment. >> steve, phil, theodore, ann, thank you all very much.