political director. bob, you heard elise there as she was giving the overall headline that this is now a matter of subtle law, right? this passed. trump is saying tonight he's spoken to people at the highest level of intelligence they agree with him that waterboarding and torture work. does it? >> not according to the senate intelligence committee, it doesn't work, ineffective, in fact causes people to be more radical, groups to be more radical using it. i've seen no good case that anyone's used waterboarding since 2001 and 2002 that it saved american lives, and that's according to the documents, internal cia reports from the inspector general. and it's flatout illegal, the u.n. geneva convention. as mccain said, the law is the law and we can't do it.