than any other developed nation is because we have this mishmash of public-private systems. if you look at most other big european nation with a national health care system, much better outcomes, much lower costs. we to fix it at a grassroots level. >> that sounds so easy. >> then why is it that the two industries in america that have the fastest rising costs are education and health care, and those are the two industries that have the most government involvement. you are saying have more gofl involvement in health care when i think if you have more private sector competition, you can lower those costs. >> pharmaceutical makers are charging $1,000 premiums and they agree with you. >> they also like saving costs. >> the 1% could use. >> come on, guys. i also see why the debate not only about obama care, but the debate over the bunl dget is go to be so fun. >> more people on medicare is not the solution, for sure. we're going to blow even bigger deficit problems if we do that. >> i think you and paul ryan