the cost of health insurance for everyone. but we're not just going along with whatever they try to shove down our throats. we're going to be a big part of this. conservatives will be listened to or there won't be a repeal. >> and one of the issues here, of course, is that in order to help those who right now have insurance through the medicaid expansion or perhaps have it because of the stipends that some people get through the obamacare exchanges, some republicans in congress have proposed tax credits for these lower income people. you consider that a potential new entitlement program. >> refundable tax credits, this means you get back money you didn't pay. somebody else's money. it's the same as a subsidy or the same as medicaid or some kind of entitlement and it's not free. it's got to come from somewhere. so, i don't think we can dress up democrat ideas and put a republican stamp on them, call them a tax credit and say we're giving them something different than what obamacare was doing.