office of science and technology. what i'm saying is all those that are subject to the federal records act are complying with all that and the presidential records act. my point is that this is the policy that's existed from the beginning of time since they were kept. through the last one and the last one was a faux attempt at that. it's not really being transparent when you scrub out the names of the people you don't want anyone to know were here. so i think we made a decision to stay in line with the law and follow the same procedures that everyone else has maintained. >> you always talk about under audit. is it time to say once and for all the president is never going to release his tax returns? >> we'll have to get back to you on that. >> really? >> i said i'd have to get back to you on that. he's still under audit. the statement still stands.