there are no tapes, that that amounts to witness tampering or intimidation, do you agree? >> certainly seems like an effort by the president to discourage james comey from speaking out, and the president apparently does have a history as a businessman and litigation with threatening people that he may have recorded conversations as a way of intimidating them. so that certainly appears to be what the president was trying to do when you consider that also in light of james comey's testimony and what the president was asking james comey to do to drop the flynn case to make the russia cloud essentially go away. and ultimately the firing of james comey, you have to potentially ask, is this part of a pattern? was this part of a concerted effort to alter the course of the russia investigation? and that is obviously deeply troubling to us. >> is that a potential crime? >> well, certainly if it amounts