intelligence coupe, to get the concrete information, putting the nail into the coffin of what we all surmised analytically, that vladimir putin was definitely involved in this. hard to imagine otherwise. according to the "washington post," this piece of intelligence sort of confirmed that. then the fascinating thing about the whole piece in the "wo "washington post" is now, what is our policy going to be? you can go hard with cyber warfair or conservatively with sanctions. that's eventually what the administration decided to do. >> michael, it is interesting, just hearing from the president in this latest interview we read part of a transcript of, i guess that'll be on sunday, saying he just learned about this for the first time. how is that possible, that he just learned that the obama white house knew about this? he's the president of the united states. you'd think if he is truly interested in this, he would have been completely debriefed on the whole history of this entire, you know, intervention. >> well, and you don't even have