direct talks, but not at this point. what you've seen is the north koreans have simply engaged in extortion after extortion and now at a much higher level. so they can sit down and start talking some more so they continue their testing and research and development, and then we're at a much more difficult place. soy met with the north koreans, as well. i think there is an opportunity to make a deal at some point. but we're not ready yet, because they're not ready and the chinese and russians have to be a part of it, and they've been too willing to allow the regime to continue enjoying the benefits of that relationship. >> north korea says it won't talk unless the u.s. stops doing military options, which the u.s. won't do. doesn't seem like there's a starting point. >> there is. if you don't exercise, you don't train and you become less capable. over time, that capability