offer hip a piece of cake, and you think he's just going to abandon his country. no that's not how it works. nations don't have permanent friends and enemies they have permanent interests. our issue is china has deep interest in north korea. it's a next door neighbor. they have worries about it imploding. we need to get at that rather than thinking we can wow the leader. so similarly with putin, putin is a russian nationalist. he has a very cheer and intelligent view of russia's interest. you've got to get to him at that level rather than thinking you can power around and somehow -- and say oh i forget yes, just sign up with the american agenda. >> i'm glad you mentioned putin. you called him the most powerful map in the world. you met with him about a year ago. so tell us these two personalities coming together. take us into that.