impeachment with for clinton are like brothers and sisters. looks like already this tight, small family business is turning on itself. according to maggie's reporting. that's a big problem. because you know my, our old colleague, the late bob novak used to say in his column world, that you are either a source or target. well, the people in that inner circle are either a source or target for mr. mueller and his investigation. and, they're going to start turning on each other. they're going to start ratting on each other. i think maggie's reporting is a leading indicator. >> carl, the e-mails, as a smoking gun, it is premature? >> yes, premature. at the same time i also said we are in the midst of a malignant presidency. part of the malignancy is the lying by people named trump. what we are seeing here is, now we see that much of the focus of where investigations are going is into the trump family. it is something that has the president, i'm told. i wanted to ask maggie about this. it has the the president in a rage. that's he knows that mueller is