foreign government in an american election. it's a violation of law. the reaction would be, first of all, you would -- to that whole e-mail string you would be, what, we're going to have our top three people, the son-in-law, the son and the campaign manager at this meeting with this russian lawyer? no, no. absolutely not. i mean, it's clear that they didn't respond and say what is the background of this? they knew there was more background just from the fact that they didn't respond. this is -- all through this, trump has maintained that there was no contact, no coordination, no collaboration. clearly you have -- you have the mission. you have his trump team. you have the russians in the same room. you have the e-mail that lays out its part of an ongoing program. there is no surprise on the part of the trump team and there is really very unlikely that with the campaign manager, the son and the son-in-law all there