will not hesitate to tell people the truth. the real test is going to be whether he can develop that kind of relationship with donald trump. >> secretary panetta, i appreciate your time. thanks. >> you bet. back with the panel now. phillip r what's so fascinate, it's going to be fascinating to watch what happens. you cannot have more different people than general john kelly, president trump, and a lot of the folks on his -- on the inner staff of the white house, and to see how these two worlds sort of collide is going to be fascinating. >> it is. yeah. i mean, the real question is going to be can general kelly get the staff to be like the sorts of people he's used to working with, or are they so spoiled by six months of trumpiness that he's not going to be able to get them to stay on the same page? i think it's true that trump will be responsive to him. we've seen several times over the course of the campaign, he's responsive to a new person. it doesn't always stick. we'll see. the real question is can kelly actually get the troops in line