what the cbo said was, you would choose to be uninsured instead of receiving a free government program. does that sound like it makes sense? it doesn't make sense. >> that's one aspect of the underlying assumptions. the bigger assumption was that the states won't have the money no matter how much choice you give them to keep those people enrolled so you have tens of millions who lose coverage. >> one of the things you haven't talked about, the methodology the cbo uses to score every bill and amendment is the same methodology they used to score obamacare in the first place. this is a methodology designed by the guy who famously said we have to lie to the american public. >> they're using the years you asked them to use. >> it's the methodologies we're talking about. the cbo has the numbers. come back to what they say, x number of people will not receive coverage. they're comparing that to an ideal obamacare that works. obamacare doesn't work. people are going to lose