dangers of violence. we understand the danger of overheated rhetoric. the fact of the matter is, we and my colleagues and i certainly stood for nonviolence in both the christian sense and for years on end, but there's a difference between elevating the temperature of the debate and speaking with moral indig aniation where you have a president who puts on the same moral plane the people who are being attacked, and those who are attacking. neo-nazis and ku klux klan are not the same plane and -- >> sir, we'll have an honest conversation today. if we're going to have an honest conversation, you have to be honest. there was violence on both sides today. nothing wrong with condemning that. >> one at a time. cornell, finish your thought and then ben go ahead. >> yeah, certainly you can condemn violence. i have done that. many americans around the country have done that. but we need to be very clear. where we have the --