taking a new approach or strategy as a result? >> i don't think there's any question that there is. a lot of the members of these groups have said so publicly, both at the charlottesville rally and in the wake of the rally. there was an idea that i think is correct. a lot of these people are coming off internet message boards and meeting in the real world, these nazis and white supremacist, and finding that they're able to watch and really have a national impact or a national platform in which to spread their message because when you have these terrible instances of violence, it draws all kind of media attention, which we saw after charlottesville. the flipside of that is a lot of people are justifiably horrified by what they saw and i think there is a clearer understanding now among many americans that these white supremacists are a real force in the real world not just an internet phenomenon, and