if you don't work, we take you off welfare. the point is that effort, that time you have to be -- put in to be responsible needs to be meaningful. we've got to get people to job training so they're not stuck in poverty for generations. we need to think about what we can do to make sure minorities have a piece of the pie. what we have to do in our country to make sure we begin to discuss the difference between the wealthiest and the poorest in our country. all these things, if we can have a dialogue on that, that will bring people together. and people who have very different points of view, if they have goodwill it's amazing how much we can agree upon. >> governor, one of the issues is that there are a lot of people on the middle, left and even the right who believe president trump has difficulty condemning white supremacists. why do you think he does seem to have this issue? do you think he's concerned about alienating bigots because they might be part of his base?